Growing up I was around both gay and lesbians and didn't know it until I was old enough (different for each child). My older cousin was gay, and while I would be at his house and he would be at my house, he respected the fact that I didn't know he was gay. It wasn't until I was around 10 when I started asking my Father questions about why Bill wasn't married. After this discussion, my Father told Bill about it, but it wasn't until I was 16 that Bill displayed affection with his "room mate" in front of me.
By Bill waiting until I was ready to understand, Bill became the brother I never had. Would our relationship have developed like it did if I had been exposed to his life style at an early age? Not likely.
The way I see it, your throwing the baby out with the bath water.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Then what do you do when your son's classmate talks about his gay brother?Originally posted by Sean Pa:
We agree to disagree then Jumper, I still think 5 is too young to be introduced to same sex relationships you dont, Fair enough, I`ve never claimed to be right.
Ban the student with the gay brother?
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The point I'm trying to make is that Sean seems to want to shield his child completely that they can very likely encounter anyway.Originally posted by travelinman:
Growing up I was around both gay and lesbians and didn't know it until I was old enough (different for each child). My older cousin was gay, and while I would be at his house and he would be at my house, he respected the fact that I didn't know he was gay. It wasn't until I was around 10 when I started asking my Father questions about why Bill wasn't married. After this discussion, my Father told Bill about it, but it wasn't until I was 16 that Bill displayed affection with his "room mate" in front of me.
By Bill waiting until I was ready to understand, Bill became the brother I never had. Would our relationship have developed like it did if I had been exposed to his life style at an early age? Not likely.
The way I see it, your throwing the baby out with the bath water.
Here's what the issue is: He finds the gay thing "abnormal." Fair enough. But for millions of people that's their normal life. They feel that's the way they God made them and nothing that Sean says or does is going to change that. Because there's little that Sean or gay people can do about their "condition."
Seans' answer seems to be having gay people hide it.
My best friend's 42 year old sister, Mindy, has had the same female partner since she was 18. They are raising a child together, born of Mindy.
The child, Alex - now 6 - plays soccer, has had parts in school Christmas plays, etc.
Mindy and her partner go to those soccer games. They attend Alex's plays just like any other parent.
Sean's answer is to ban Mindy and her partner from making an appearance at her son's soccer games or school plays.
Or worse yet, is Sean telling us Mindy and her partner are unfit to be parents.
A lot can be read into Sean's message, and all of it is scary.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Then maybe you should of wasted your time and read the thread, to avoid the huge jumping in feet 1st mistake you just have. and you call me ignorant.Originally posted by jdf:
you know what...I refuse to waste my time reading this entire thread, because it would be 5 pages ad nauseuam of people saying the same thing over and over and over.
But I'm going to give you my two cents.
Every single one of you who thinks single pregnant women or a single mother has no right to be in a classroom teaching can kiss my ass. *bends over and points* right there. and there and there, Trust me...it's big enough all of you can do it at the same time.
It hate to tell you, but I probably set a better example of humanity that 90% of your "god fearing, law abiding, straight upstanding" educators out there.
(As an aside, I share reasons offense that homosexuality is often lumped in with pedophilia, bestiality, and the like. Granted, I don't always agree with what he says...most of it I just laugh at and skim over. As for the women...I think that if a woman chooses a job that requires a certain physical mettle, then by god, she better be able to do it as well as a man (i.e. in firefighting) But to suggest that you would not want a perosn "influencing" your child because that person is gay, is just plain fucking ignorant. I'll give you a list of gay people that I would rather in contact with my children, than some of the "straight" people society forces on them...)
Any way...I digress. Sean (Raven) made an excellent point...god forbid a woman should set the example to be strong and take responsibility for your actions, and opt to raise the child alone. Is she up there telling your kids...go sleep with anyone you want. Get an Abortion if you get caught? If that's the case, then yeah, there's a problem. But..if she is setting the example that even though she may have made a poor decision (even if she made it more than 1 time), but she is taking resposibility...why should you insist that that is warping your child? Pathetic, narrow minded, hypocritial dolts you are.
Wanna know one reason I get thoroughy tired of catholic mass? I take offense to being told that as a former single mother, or if I were homosexual, I am as evil as the molester, embezzler, or even the murderer on death row. Somehow, I don't think so...but if you do, your loss. And what a badge of stupidity you wear.
no Sean...I don't. I read enough. I read enough to know that many many things in this thread get blown out of proportion, and many of the same useless arguments and belittling take place. Yes, I know Reason believes wholeheartedly the GL is gay, I know that Gl believes reason should be banished.
But the fact reamins that it is still put out there that single mothers have no business in a positoin of teaching children, because they too are SO responsible for the downfall of society.Bull f-in' shit.
A big part of the downfall of society has to do with lazy, narrow minded parents who do not want the burden of raising their children, and quite frankly...probably shouldn't even be attempting it.
My point is...I'll put your run of the mill, average single mother/teacher up against your average clergyman, public or private school teacher, gay or straight...and I'll tell you the two who have the character I'd want to instill in my child:
The single mother who is taking her responsibility, and the homosexual, who while hasn't CHOSEN their lifestyle, accepts it, lives with it, does not throw it on your face, but will openly address it.
and by the way...I'll only call you ignorant when I know you believe that as a former single parent, you feel that I am a bad influence on society. I can not STAND high horses.
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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'll tell you otherwise. I wouldn't have you around my children. You're too militant and too angry. You're the type that makes me lean away from any gay teachers. The type that is so arrogant that only they know the truth and the rest of us are just backwater hilljacks.Originally posted by LAKE:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by reason:
Y'know, sometimes y'just feel like fighting back. So I do. I'm as fit to be around your kids as the best guy. Tell me otherwise, I'm going to kick your ass.
Sorry bub, you're the worst of the worst.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Nicely said Lake.
Reason you couldn't slap yourself out of a wet bag. Kick somebody's ass? What by sitting on them and inducing suffocation from your profuse rotundity? HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA. A 4 yr old girl could take you.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">JDF, PLEASE READ MY ORIGINAL POSTOriginally posted by Sean Pa:
The sooner religon is taken out of schools the better. How ridiculous an unmarried pregnant teacher could cause offense. Whats really offensive is the Catholic church protecting kiddie fiddlers who masquarde (sp) as gods teachers.
On the other hand I sadly [img]frown.gif[/img] would have a problem with a gay man teaching my kids especially at a junior school age. I just feel that at that age its an added issue to an already complicated world. I say sadly because equality is a big issue for me and whilst appearing hypocritical,my kids well being comes 1st.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Actually Lake, you're more of a problem than reason ever will be. I think you got it right: You're a backwater hilljack. [img]graemlins/whatever.gif[/img]quote:
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Originally posted by reason:
Y'know, sometimes y'just feel like fighting back. So I do. I'm as fit to be around your kids as the best guy. Tell me otherwise, I'm going to kick your ass.
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I'll tell you otherwise. I wouldn't have you around my children. You're too militant and too angry. You're the type that makes me lean away from any gay teachers. The type that is so arrogant that only they know the truth and the rest of us are just backwater hilljacks.
Sorry bub, you're the worst of the worst.
Lake is nothing of the sort IMHO. Reason has been a divisive influence on this board since his return. His caustic and inflammatory comments have caused 90% of the nasty arguments on here in the past 4 months. Debate and disagreement are fine. But he goes overboard. If you don't agree with him he paints you with a broad brush and in typical leftist fashion he then proceeds to whine when you strike him back. He can think anything he wants about me, that's his right and I really couldn't care less what he thinks (about anything). But his constant comments about me being gay since his return would have made anyone of you angry were the shoe on the other foot. He came back to the board sporting for a fight over same sex marriage. he proceeded to tell Gae to "grow a brain woman" and called Lew "fat and ugly" simply because they did not jump on his gay nuptials parade float. He is militant, arrogant and I have no use for him. He used to be funny. He crossed the line awhile ago and has only gotten worse. Nobody on here cares that he is gay. Only he hates the fact that he is gay. He has made comments to me and about me that come right from a homophobic redneck. IF I were gay I would have absolutely no reason whatsoever to hide it or deny it. If I were and wanted to hide it would I have ever talked about some of my interests? (the same interests that small minded reason has used to base his erroneous assumption I must be gay).
Lake do yourself a favor, put him on "ignore" and try to not look at anything he says if you look at the board without logging in. (The ignore feature only works when you are logged in)
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'll tell you otherwise. I wouldn't have you around my children. You're too militant and too angry. You're the type that makes me lean away from any gay teachers. The type that is so arrogant that only they know the truth and the rest of us are just backwater hilljacks.Originally posted by LAKE:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by reason:
Y'know, sometimes y'just feel like fighting back. So I do. I'm as fit to be around your kids as the best guy. Tell me otherwise, I'm going to kick your ass.
Sorry bub, you're the worst of the worst.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">As an unwilling participant in this whole mess, dealing with asses like you pushes me in that direction.
I didn't ask to be this way. I didn't ask to be put next to unChristian bitches like you who think nothing of firing everyday normal people like me, all while supposing you've got some moral clarity when in fact you have none.
And I'm supposed to be polite about it. No. I'm not.
I look at jdf's anger and I know exactly where she's coming from. Without knowing her situation, you summarily classify her as unfit. Good job, Lake.
What a fucking load of ignorant, redneck, uneducated horseshit. Got it Lake? Do you understand where exactly you fit into the intellectual scheme of things? You don't.
The funny part about it - you big hypocritical asshole - and I mean that in the lowest sense of the word - is that you deal with people like me practically everyday and think nothing of it. So does Sean. Everyday. You just don't know it.
I try to merely live my life. I don't need you invading it. Funny thing about gay people is that the minute they try to save their jobs, save their homes, save their basic rights, they are immediately classified as militant.
Knee jerk firing of innocent people is militant lake. Summarily dismissing people on superficial classifications is militant.
Lake, you are the militant.
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